Ellen TATE

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Buried:
Grave location and tombstone photo:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=67122283

Ellen married John Finley. John was born 02 Sep 1778; died 04 Nov 1865, Wilkes Co. NC; was buried , Presbyterian Cemetery, Wilkesboro, Wilkes Co. NC. [Group Sheet]

1. Clarinda Jane Elizabeth Finley was born 09 May 1808, Wilkes Co. NC; died 25 May 1853, Wilkes Co. NC; was buried , Presbyterian Cemetery, Wilkesboro, Wilkes Co. NC.
2. Augustus Washington Finley was born 13 Jul 1813, Wilkes Co. NC; died 30 Dec 1889, Wilkes Co. NC; was buried , Presbyterian Cemetery, Wilkesboro, Wilkes Co. NC.
3. William Pitt Waugh Finley was born 26 Jun 1815, Wilkes Co. NC; died 03 Mar 1874, Wilkes Co. NC; was buried , Horton Cemetery, Yadkin Valley, Caldwell Co. NC.
4. John Tate Finley was born 09 Aug 1817, Wilkes Co. NC; died 06 Feb 1896, Wilkes Co. NC; was buried , Presbyterian Cemetery, Wilkesboro, Wilkes Co. NC.

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MILITARY RECORDS

Private, Virginia Militia, Revolutionary War
Capt. James Tate's Company, Augusta County Militia, volunteered in Capt. May's Company, Botetourt Militia in Jan.1781, Battles of Kings Mountain & Yorktown

LEGAL RECORDS

He was a witness to his uncle Samuel Doak's will

Augusta County, Virginia - Will Book 4, Pgs 497-500

5th November, 1771. Saml Doak's will, farmer--To wife, Jane; to daughter, Elinor, unmarried; to wife, to have disposal of all household furniture at her Pleasure to her 3 daughters, Elinor, Mary, Isbel; to son, John; to oldest son, David, plantation David now lives on as Robert Doak laid it off; to son, Samuel, plantation at head waters of Rockfish in Amherst; to son, John, plantation testator lives on; to son, Robert, tract testator formerly lived on in Rockfish, joining Capt. Crawford; daughters, Jane and Elizabeth. Executors, wife Jane, son David, son-in-law Wm. Brown. Brother-in-law John Finley and John Tate to advise executors. Teste: John and James Mitchel, William Tate, John Tate, Jr. Proved, 19th May, 1772. by James Mitchel and the Tates. David Doack qualifies with John Tate. Nathaniel Steel.


Buried:
Grave location and tombstone photo:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=tate&GSfn=john&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=48&GScnty=2810&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=53753624&df=all&

John married Jane (Jennie) Berry. Jane died 1835, Augusta Co. VA; was buried , Old Providence ARP Church Cemetery, Spottswood, Augusta Co. VA. [Group Sheet]

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Buried:
Grave lcoation:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Tate&GSiman=1&GScid=552495&GRid=54057521&
[Note they have an incorrect maiden name on the grave listing]

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"Virginia Revolutionary Pension Applications", Vol. Six; Abstracted and Compiled by John Frederick Dorman.
Page 66

John Berry also served one month as a substitute for his brother-in-law John Tate. This was in the Fall, shortly before Cornwallis' capture in Oct 1781, under Capt. William Tate in Col. Boyer's regiment. He was under Gen. Campbell, a militia officer who died on this expedition.

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Information from Find A Grave

According to the 12 Aug 1936 W.P.A. Historical Inventory of this cemetery by Scioto M. Herndon (online at Library of Virginia), there was a gravestone for:

"John Tate
Oct. 1747
(married Mary Doak)"

It lists: "Sources of Information: Informant: Sr. Alexander Murphy, descendant of Bumgardners, Bethel Green, R.F.D., Staunton, Virginia." There are documented mistakes in this survey on dates and wife Betsy Humphreys/Blackwood McCutchan.

It described the cemetery in 1936 as: "overgrown with weeds, bushes, briars, etc. as to be nearly inaccessible. It is on the top of a ridge completely surrounded by woods. ....many of the graves are deeply sunken, stones fallen and inscriptions obliterated." It adds "information given in the parenthesis." So "Mary Doak" is subjective.


Buried:
Grave location, tombstone photo, and documentation:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=tate&GSfn=john&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=48&GScnty=2810&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=23314280&df=all&

John married Mary DOAK. Mary (daughter of James DOAK and Elizabeth) was born 1715, Antrim, Ulster, Ireland; died Aft 1745, Augusta Co. VA. [Group Sheet]

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Until someone contacted me questioning the age of Samuel Doak, b. ca 1714 to be the father of Mary, I had overlooked the age feasibility. I blame old eyes and an overworked brain. This Mary Doak was the sister of Samuel Doak. She was the immigrant ancestor for her branch, the daughter of James Doak. I had her mixed up with her niece Mary Doak, the daughter Samuel Doak and Jane Mitchell, who married Abner Weatherby. To add to the confusion, there was another niece named Mary Doak, the daughter of Robert Doak, brother to Mary and Samuel, who married Robert Breckinridge.

And to make it even more perlexing for their descendants, there were at least two John Tates, both from Augusta Co. VA living at the same time. One married Mary Doak and the other one married Mary Mitchell [sister to Samuel Doak's wife Jane Mitchell] who had several offspring migrate to Russell Co. VA. These are my Tate ancestors. They all came from Ulster, Northern Ireland through Pennsylvania into Augusta Co. VA. They either intermarried and/or were neighbors. They named their children after brothers and sisters to deliberately confuse their descendants. So you may have several Samuel Doaks, John Tates as grandfather, father, son, uncle, brother, or cousin.

There is evidence based on Augusta Co. land and probate records that indicate Mary's maiden name as Doak.

The following record indicates Samuel Doak, is the brother of Mary. This Samuel Doak in his will extract names his "brother-in-law John Finley [husband of Samuel's sister Thankful] and John Tate to advise executors." This John Tate is not also named as a brother-in-law, but not having seen the original will and only various abstracts or transcription, it's possible a "s" was left off. The John Tate who married Mary Doak, Samuel's brother-in-law is believed to have died ca 1747. However the John Tate who married Mary Mitchell, sister to Samuel's wife Jane, was living. I believe this is the John Tate named as an adviser to the estate. In addition Mary Doak Tate's sons John Tate, Jr. and William as witnesses to their uncle's will.

WILL ABSTRACT

Augusta County, Virginia - Will Book 4, Pgs 497-500

5th November, 1771. Saml Doak's will, farmer--To wife, Jane; to daughter, Elinor, unmarried; to wife, to have disposal of all household furniture at her Pleasure to her 3 daughters, Elinor, Mary, Isbel; to son, John; to oldest son, David, plantation David now lives on as Robert Doak laid it off; to son, Samuel, plantation at head waters of Rockfish in Amherst; to son, John, plantation testator lives on; to son, Robert, tract testator formerly lived on in Rockfish, joining Capt. Crawford; daughters, Jane and Elizabeth. Executors, wife Jane, son David, son-in-law Wm. Brown. Brother-in-law John Finley and John Tate to advise executors. Teste: John and James Mitchel, William Tate, John Tate, Jr. Proved, 19th May, 1772. by James Mitchel and the Tates. David Doack qualifies with John Tate. Nathaniel Steel.

"Know all men by the Presents that we David Doack John Tate and Nathaniel Steel are held and firmly bound unto James Lockart John Poage Abraham Smith Samuel McDowell Justices in the Commission of the Peace for Augusta County for and in behalf of the Justices of the said County and their Successors in the sum of five Hundred Pounds to be Paid to the said Justices and their Successors which Payment well and truly to be made we bind ourselves and each of us our and every of our heirs Executors and Administrators Jointly & Severally firmly by these Presents Sealed with our seals and dated this 19th day of May 1772"

Augusta Co. VA records show numerous links among the Tate and Doak families, indicating close relationships between them.

However, DNA is providing clarity for her ancestry indicating she descended from Samuel/James Doak.

Source: http://sherrysharp.com/gentree/getperson.php?personID=I49991&tree=Roots

So in conclusion, Mary Doak married a John Tate, just not the one who's the father of the Russell Co. VA Tates. I appreciate the opportunity to look at my research again. Please understand this a work in progress and I will probably revise it again as I get more information.

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The Doak Family migration history is murky and disputed.

"The Mathews (Mathes) Family in America" by Ida Christabelle Van Deventer -- Alexander Printing Co., 1925.

She writes that Alexander Mathews came with the Doak family in the Scotch-Irish immigration from Northern Ireland to Pennsylvania, with James Doak, his wife Elizibeth, and five children, Samuel, David, John, Robert and Thankful. They all emigrated from North of Ireland to America, landing in Newcastle, Delaware in 1708 and settled in Chester Co., PA.

Ralph Doak, a modern historian, disputes this as only a few groups of Ulster Scots emigrated to America before 1718. He cites William Henry Foote, who in 1846 published a work entitled, for the sake of brevity "Sketches of North Carolina:" During the course of this work it is disclosed that Samuel, father of Rev Samuel Doak (1749 - 1840) emigrated "very young." The elder Samuel was born around 1716 in Antrim, Ulster Ireland. So the Doaks migrated after 1720 as James' youngest son, Robert, was born in 1720 in Ireland.

The earliest record that may be James is in Lancaster Co. PA which until 1728 was part of Chester Co. The 1728 petition for the creation of Lancaster Co. was signed by Thomas Mitchell (Jane's father, who died in 1734) and a James Doke.

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Elaine M Doak Special Collections Librarian/Archivist Pickler Memorial Library Truman State University, Kirksville, MO has put a lot of time into research.

"Here's what we've got on the 1st couple of Doak generations in America. There are basically 2 versions of the "transitional" generations.

One is that Samuel Doak, who remained in Ireland, had a son James who came to PA w/ wife Elizabeth and several children almost any year between 1720 & 1740 (depending on which source you read). The other version is that Samuel himself was the immigrant, same time span. I have yet to see any PROOF of either version. The truth is that we have no idea who the father of the group I call the "immigrant generation" was.

My brother & I went to Chester & Lancaster Cos PA summer before last & came up w/ a lot of nothing -- except more questions. Some records cited by earlier researchers do not exist. Those that do exist do not prove that the Doak family in that area during the 1720-40 time period was the same Doak family to later settle in Augusta Co VA. There are some similarities of given names which COULD indicate they are our Virginians, but they could also indicate they are the Doaks who are to be found a few years later further north in PA.

We did find a James Doke who signed a 1729 petition to create Lancaster Co out of Chester Co. This was the only reference to James we found. It's curious that while Doaks seem to repeat given names over & over, there are no Jameses in the Augusta Co group. That's not proof of anything; it's just an observation.

Some published sources cite a 1727 Chester Co Orphan's Roll which mentions Elizabeth Doak & son David. The County Archivist tells us that all records where were extant as late as about 1900 are still there but this particular entry could not be found. What was the REAL source of the original citation? Also, if Elizabeth's husband was James why would she & her son appear on an orphan's roll 2 years before he signed the 1729 petition? BTW, an orphan is a child whose father is deceased; the mother could still be living. We found a 1726 tax roll listing John Doak & Mother (again, no father?), but the name Elizabeth does not appear there or on any record we could find in either county.

The "immigrant generation" of siblings was Samuel, John, David (the youngest, probably born here), Thankful, Mary, Ann, & Robert. I think there may be a couple more names added to various versions; I seem to have forgotten to bring the list w/ me today. Of that group, we found POSSIBLE mention of John & Samuel in PA. We were unable to find Thankful's marr to John Finley which is supposed to be there, but PA didn't require marr licenses or bonds till the 1850s, so if the record is there it's probably in some church's files. It would be impossible to cover all of these lines, so I'm going to stick to ours.

It is highly unlikely that "Immigrant Sam", as we call him, and Jane Mitchell were married during the voyage from Ireland as is so often reported. If the Doaks in Lancaster Co were ours, they were there as early as 1726 when John & mother appeared on the tax roll. (We're assuming, of course, that this John and our Sam were brothers.) John also appears on 1733 & 1734 grand jury panels. The earliest record we found of Samuel was 1737, when he also was on the grand jury, so it's possible he immigrated as late as 1736 (even tho this was a lot later than mother & brother).
Sam's wife was Jane (confirmed by his Will), supposedly the daughter of Thomas & Eleanor Mitchell of Lancaster Co (not proved). If Jane was, in fact, Thomas & Eleanor's dau, evidence exists to suggest she was unmarried & living in her father's home in Lancaster at the time of his death--still unmarried AFTER the voyage. Thomas's Will (Lancaster Co Will Book A, Vol 1, pg 17) does not say she is unmarried, but seems to imply such by naming part of the family's livestock as hers, not her husband's. It also does not list her w/ the Doak surname. All this is strictly circumstantial, of course. The Will written 14 May 1734 lists the following family members: "...son John Mitchell & my Wife Elloner Mitchell...Elldest Daughter Martha..Second Daughter Mary ...[to] third Daughter Jean one two year Old mear and one year old Heffer and all the sheep Called her own...Fourth Daughter Jenat...my brother John Mitchell..."
1736 has been reported as Sam & Jane's marriage date; that seems to be in the ball park (their first child was born ca 1738) but it would have been in PA, not aboard ship. This is likely an unprovable date, as are their dates of birth. The Sam on the grand jury in 1737 had to have been at least 21, therefore born no later than 1716.

Sam & Jane moved to VA ca 1739; he sold his property in Lancaster no later than May of that year and began to appear in August Co records as early as 1740. His August Co property in Beverley Manor borders the west side of the present-day village of Greenville. Sam died there between 5 Nov 1771 and 19 May 1772, the dates his Will were written & proved in Court (Augusta Co Will Book 4, pg 497). The Will lists the following family members: "Jane my Dearly beloved Wife...Daughters viz Elinor, Mary & Isabel...son John...oldest son David...son Robert...daughters Jane and Elizabeth...son in law William Brown...brother in law John Finley..."You may read in the course of your research about a controversy over the wording of Sam's Will as copied to the Will Book, which reads "brothers in law John Finley and John Tate". While the word brother is plural, the "s" is in a different handwriting & different ink. Some say the plural proves the marriage of Sam's sister Mary to John Tate. When or why the "s" was added I don't know, but added it was. Since the original Will no longer exists, we don't know if the addition was an honest attempt to correct to record book to the actual wording of the Will or if it was added at a later date to prove the Doak-Tate marriage (as some suggest). Lyman Chalkley did not pick it up in his 1911 abstracts which gives one the idea it may have been added during the 20th Century."


Another source for info
http://sherrysharp.com/gentree/getperson.php?personID=I5719&tree=Roots

James married Elizabeth Abt 1692. Elizabeth was born 1674, Ulster, Ireland; died Aft 1741, Augusta Co. VA. [Group Sheet]

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Location for where they lived was Ballymena or Ballynure, which are villages located in Antrim County.